# Sky transmitting directly to LoRaWAN 'The Things Network' bypassing the hub? **URL:** \ **Category:** Tempest Owners\ **Created:** [December 19, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-transmitting-directly-to-lorawan-the-things-network-bypassing-the-hub/2870 "2018-12-19T12:20:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iladyman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/iladyman/32/2305_2.png) [@iladyman](https://community.tempest.earth/u/iladyman)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-transmitting-directly-to-lorawan-the-things-network-bypassing-the-hub/2870/1 "2018-12-19T12:20:40Z")
Hi @WFmarketing I wondered if the Sky might be able to be set up to send its data via the LoRaWAN without using the hub. The advantage is that we would be able to position them in remote locations without normal wifi access. This is a map of areas covered. > **[The Things Network](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/map)** > > The Things Network map - find the community and gateways in your area. cheers Ian 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![WFmarketing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/wfmarketing/32/62_2.png) [@WFmarketing](https://community.tempest.earth/u/WFmarketing)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-transmitting-directly-to-lorawan-the-things-network-bypassing-the-hub/2870/2 "2018-12-19T17:30:01Z")
Hi @iladyman . We are well aware of LoRaWAN and are keen to support the technology in the future. Our system was designed with “future proofing” in mind – to support a variety of new network technologies available now, or not yet invented. The design concept is to produce various HUBs to support to various broadcast technologies . – WiFi, Thread, Zigbee, LoRaWAN, HomeKit, ZWave, etc, etc. etc. We designed and spec’d the HUB as simple as possible so that swapping a HUB is both easy and inexpensive, while keeping the same sensor devices (AIR, SKY, ++). You can think of your current HUB as a “WiFi HUB”…and at some point we’ll make a “LoRaWAN HUB”. Note: A direct connection from SKY to a LoRaWAN network will not work. The raw data transmitted from SKY would just be gibberish. The HUB collects, interprets, and filters the data using a library of proprietary code and algorithms before publishing. When changes and improvements are required, the firmware on the HUB receives and runs the new software that governs the raw data from the devices. Additionally, the data from the sensor devices is transmitted via long range 868/915mHz radio signal. The LoRaWAN network would need a 868/915mHz receiver … which is another key function that the HUB performs. ---
**Author:** ![GaryFunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/garyfunk/32/5729_2.png) [@GaryFunk](https://community.tempest.earth/u/GaryFunk)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-transmitting-directly-to-lorawan-the-things-network-bypassing-the-hub/2870/3 "2018-12-19T21:48:51Z")
This is a perfect example of information that should be place in a "wiki’ on [weatherflow.com](http://weatherflow.com). ---
**Author:** ![weatherflow4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3da27b/32.png) [@weatherflow4](https://community.tempest.earth/u/weatherflow4)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2020, 2:54am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-transmitting-directly-to-lorawan-the-things-network-bypassing-the-hub/2870/4 "2020-09-13T02:54:25Z")
Has anyone done any work on using the tempest as a remote weather station ? My idea is that if I can sniff the bluetooth packets from the sky sensor then I can install it remotely and send the data from a remote connection via LoRa radio connection. Even better would be to tap into a serial connnection before the data even gets to the bluetooth radio and send that data via LoRa ---
**Author:** ![iladyman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/iladyman/32/2305_2.png) [@iladyman](https://community.tempest.earth/u/iladyman)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-transmitting-directly-to-lorawan-the-things-network-bypassing-the-hub/2870/5 "2020-09-13T03:04:16Z")
Also see this discussion because the Sky is already able to transmit similarly to the LoRa to its own hub. BUT the antenna in the Tempest is surrounded by solar panels and will be limited to around 500m. > [@Sky maximum distance from Hub](https://community.tempest.earth/t/sky-maximum-distance-from-hub/3292/4): > > Hi @dsj David, On my first day of distance tests I managed the Sky 700m away to the hub inside the window. The next day using the Sky on the roof I extended the hub location Northwards from one headland to the next as far as practical to over 7km without requiring any extra antenna. Today I ventured Southwards and was unable to pick up a signal to the bare hub at over 12km. Great so now I had the opportunity to try adding a parabolic reflector to see if I could extend the distance without ch… cheers Ian 🙂