# Switching the regular hub to cellular hub **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** hub, tempest, cellular\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284 "2020-07-30T23:07:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jgentry](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/jgentry/32/12913_2.png) [@jgentry](https://community.tempest.earth/u/jgentry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/1 "2020-07-30T23:07:54Z")
Would it be possible to change out the regular hub to the pro hub when it comes out? Would like to keep the data coming in when the power and wifi goes out. I’m planning on using a UPS to power up the hub during power outages. ---
**Author:** ![ICWX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/icwx/32/8367_2.png) [@ICWX](https://community.tempest.earth/u/ICWX)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/2 "2020-07-30T23:11:51Z")
What is the pro hub? ---
**Author:** ![GaryFunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/garyfunk/32/5729_2.png) [@GaryFunk](https://community.tempest.earth/u/GaryFunk)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/3 "2020-07-30T23:14:56Z")
> [@ICWX](#): > > pro hub? My question too. I only know of the Air/Sky Hub and the Tempest Hub. ---
**Author:** ![jgentry](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/jgentry/32/12913_2.png) [@jgentry](https://community.tempest.earth/u/jgentry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/4 "2020-07-30T23:50:09Z")
The pro hub is suppose to be able to connect cellular if the wifi goes out. It’s suppose to come out with the storm/fire system. ---
**Author:** ![ICWX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/icwx/32/8367_2.png) [@ICWX](https://community.tempest.earth/u/ICWX)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/5 "2020-07-31T00:06:07Z")
Have you heard any release dates? ---
**Author:** ![jgentry](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/jgentry/32/12913_2.png) [@jgentry](https://community.tempest.earth/u/jgentry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/6 "2020-07-31T00:12:32Z")
I’m assuming it will be in October like the cellular version of the Tempest. @dsj @WFstaff can give us more details. ---
**Author:** ![vinceskahan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/vinceskahan/32/2785_2.png) [@vinceskahan](https://community.tempest.earth/u/vinceskahan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/7 "2020-07-31T00:24:56Z")
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that any and all hubs will support all the WF sensors (Air/Sky/Tempest) from everything we’ve seen so far. I’d worry more about ‘will it ever be released’ if they don’t get enough buyers to make the development+support worth their effort. (remember the Breathe ? That one never saw the light of day, although they didn’t sell them so perhaps it’s not a totally fair comparison) ---
**Author:** ![vreihen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/vreihen/32/13217_2.png) [@vreihen](https://community.tempest.earth/u/vreihen)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/8 "2020-07-31T00:35:42Z")
FWIW, I have a ~$300 bet out on Kickstarter that says the cellular Pro Hub will be released… ---
**Author:** ![gizmoev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/gizmoev/32/941_2.png) [@gizmoev](https://community.tempest.earth/u/gizmoev)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/9 "2020-07-31T01:28:10Z")
Yes, you will be able to swap the hub out. At this point you will not be able to keep the same station ID but WF have said they will be able to link the data so you don’t lose the history. Here is the process: > **[Merging Stations or Replacing Hubs](https://help.weatherflow.com/hc/en-us/articles/360051181713)** > > This guide is intended for: > > replacing an old Hub with a new Hub > merging US & Canada versions of the AIR & SKY devices onto a new Hub (station) > > Procedure > > > Retrieve the old hardware: Unplu... From the July 28, 2020 update on Kickstarter > Storm & Fire Ready Kit and Tempest Remote System: We are building something truly exciting with these Pro Hub versions of the Tempest System, though the time and effort required to deliver a perfect finished product have caused delays. We will be sending out a Backerkit survey next week to provide an updated timeline and new options for fulfillment of Pro Hub versions of the Tempest. Check [Kickstarter](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/weatherflow/tempest-a-revolutionary-personal-weather-system/description) or [Indiegogo](https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tempest-a-revolutionary-personal-weather-system/x/18531245#/) to learn more about the two Pro Hub options. [Tempest Shipping Update & More](https://community.tempest.earth/t/tempest-shipping-update-more/5760) also refers to the Pro Hub systems. ---
**Author:** ![gizmoev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/gizmoev/32/941_2.png) [@gizmoev](https://community.tempest.earth/u/gizmoev)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/10 "2020-07-31T01:51:17Z")
> [@jgentry](#): > > I’m planning on using a UPS to power up the hub during power outages. Here are some posts with ideas about powering the hub during a power outage: > [@Hub battery backup question](https://community.tempest.earth/t/hub-battery-backup-question/4263): > > But here’s the problem - while power was out, no data was saved so I missed the most important part. Product literature assured me that data would be saved during internet outages but it says nothing about power outages. Do I need to install battery backup in the hub? Here’s an image of the disappointing graphs of air pressure and wind speed I saw when power was restored. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > [@Battery power supply/portable UPS ideas for hub & a tablet I](https://community.tempest.earth/t/battery-power-supply-portable-ups-ideas-for-hub-a-tablet-i/2249): > > Continuing the discussion from [A way to use Sky & Air on an RV or as a semi-mobile unit?](https://community.tempest.earth/t/a-way-to-use-sky-air-on-an-rv-or-as-a-semi-mobile-unit/842/4): I’ve been thinking about ideas for a good long term battery power supply/portable UPS for my hub and a tablet for when I’m camped somewhere. @SLOman used a 3350mAh battery and got a full 24 hours running just the hub. I want something I can hook in to USB charging port while also powering the hub and a tablet. This way I can use an AC power supply or one running off of 12V. I was concerned that maybe the … > [@A way to use Sky & Air on an RV or as a semi-mobile unit?](https://community.tempest.earth/t/a-way-to-use-sky-air-on-an-rv-or-as-a-semi-mobile-unit/842): > > I know this is similar to the [RVer on the move](https://community.tempest.earth/t/rver-on-the-move/561/30) topic but I didn’t want to hijack that thread. I thought I’d ask this while the Indegogo campaign is still going and I had a chance to order another unit. I’d just test this but I haven’t received my Sky & Air yet. From the reading I’ve done it appears that the unit could be linked to the cloud using a phone or tablet with internet connectivity. If this is the case could I set up the units on my RV, set the new GPS position, and tether it to a tabl… ---
**Author:** ![donricepe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9f8e36/32.png) [@donricepe](https://community.tempest.earth/u/donricepe)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/11 "2020-08-01T16:26:38Z")
I put my hub on a battery bank that is always on, i.e., does not switch off when charging. I also purchased a UPS backup power supply, and use that for the hub/power bank, modem, and security camera system. In theory that would keep everything going during an extended outage but, alas, my DSL phone service goes down when the power goes out. As a result I could not monitor anything remotely during the outage but at least the power bank and UPS kept the hub and camera system awake so data continued to be collected and saved. ---
**Author:** ![GaryFunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/garyfunk/32/5729_2.png) [@GaryFunk](https://community.tempest.earth/u/GaryFunk)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/12 "2020-08-01T18:34:19Z")
To answer your question, Yes. Make note of your current stationid and devices. Once you have the new hub set up with the device email support with the old ids and the new ids. Your old data can be moved to the new ids ---
**Author:** ![fishrman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f19dbf/32.png) [@fishrman](https://community.tempest.earth/u/fishrman)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 5:45am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/13 "2020-08-06T05:45:23Z")
I was wondering if the \* Pro Hub - Hub Battery Backup - Weatherproof Hub Enclosure with Solar Panel in the remote kit was going to be available for a separate purchase once the 178 backers from the 2 different starter pages are filled or are you even going to produce and fill these orders . I would like to buy just the kit minus the tempest as I have 3 tempest now and I would like to use one on 82 acres I own during deer season aprox 3-4 months a yr Thanks ---
**Author:** ![GaryFunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/garyfunk/32/5729_2.png) [@GaryFunk](https://community.tempest.earth/u/GaryFunk)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 10:53am UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/14 "2020-08-06T10:53:27Z")
I can’t say either way but based on past history I think WeatherFlow will meet your needs. ---
**Author:** ![dsj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/dsj/32/3_2.png) [@dsj](https://community.tempest.earth/u/dsj)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/15 "2020-08-06T23:03:50Z")
> [@fishrman](#): > > going to be available for a separate purchase Yes but I can’t just say “yes” because I need at least 20 characters ---
**Author:** ![GaryFunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.tempest.earth/garyfunk/32/5729_2.png) [@GaryFunk](https://community.tempest.earth/u/GaryFunk)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/16 "2020-08-06T23:16:59Z")
> [@dsj](#): > > Yes but I can’t just say “yes” because I need at least 20 characters Yes… ---
**Author:** ![fishrman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f19dbf/32.png) [@fishrman](https://community.tempest.earth/u/fishrman)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/17 "2020-08-06T23:22:56Z")
Thanks I will keep my eyes open for when they are released Thanks Did you read my PM to you ---
**Author:** ![kpardue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecb155/32.png) [@kpardue](https://community.tempest.earth/u/kpardue)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://community.tempest.earth/t/switching-the-regular-hub-to-cellular-hub/8284/18 "2020-08-24T17:37:07Z")
And also support HomeKit.